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		<title>By: Onedaringjew</title>
		<link>http://stephenmurray.co.za/2009/03/andy-stanley-on-expository-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-2430</link>
		<dc:creator>Onedaringjew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 17:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Louie Giglio&#039;s four-part DVD series of &quot;Great is our God,&quot; Andy Stanley gives the second presentation, in which he says:

“He (God) will have LEVERAGED your sin for his glory&#039;s sake. He will not be undone.” 
This means, according to the dictionary definition of “leverage” that God  exerts a power or influence over a person&#039;s sin for His glory.&quot;

What&#039;s wrong with &quot;forgive,&quot; &quot;wash away,&quot; &quot;cleanse,&quot; and other biblical terms? &quot;Leverage,&quot; although more friendly than what the Bible says, is a a diversion, an evacuation of sound doctrine.

He also says in the same video (he is introducing Philippians 2:6-10 (my bold type):

“God doesn’t change his mind…This (Philippians 2:6-10) is God’s KNEE-JERK reaction to our trying to hijack his glory. This is God’s response to the traitor race…who took the freedom He gave us and abused it for our benefit and to his embarrassment. Here’s how He responded: “I’ll teach ‘em.”

Andy Stanley then quotes the Philippians passage and drives the knee-jerk further into the bone:

“That’ll teach ‘em. Yeah, God’s KNEE-JERK reaction in response to us trying to hijack his glory, his response to us trying to hijack his glory, our response to our abuse of freedom.”

(&quot;That&#039;ll teach &#039;em&quot; - c&#039;mon now. Where does one infer such kind of &quot;God-talk&quot; from Philippians 2, or from any part of the Bible, for that matter).

The Philippians passage does say something about knees; all knees will one day bow at the name of Jesus. Who knows, perhaps many knees will also jerk to the ground. It is certain, however, that the God of the Bible does not not respond with knee-jerk reactions; for as Louie Giglio says, “God is all-knowing” and so does not change his mind. (See my critique of Louie Giglio’s “Great is our God”).

See http://onedaringjew.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/philippians-26-10-knee-jerk-theism/

I haven&#039;t read Andy Stanley&#039;s book on grace, which has received rave reviews. What concerns me is how God&#039;s &quot;grace&quot; - for grace is central to the Philippians passage - resonates with God&#039;s (?) knee-jerk reactions to sin. Surely God had it all planned and known from eternity - as the Bible says clearly? I detect a smidgen of open-theism. But even in open theism, there is no talk of divine knee-reject reactions, is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Louie Giglio&#8217;s four-part DVD series of &#8220;Great is our God,&#8221; Andy Stanley gives the second presentation, in which he says:</p>
<p>“He (God) will have LEVERAGED your sin for his glory&#8217;s sake. He will not be undone.”<br />
This means, according to the dictionary definition of “leverage” that God  exerts a power or influence over a person&#8217;s sin for His glory.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong with &#8220;forgive,&#8221; &#8220;wash away,&#8221; &#8220;cleanse,&#8221; and other biblical terms? &#8220;Leverage,&#8221; although more friendly than what the Bible says, is a a diversion, an evacuation of sound doctrine.</p>
<p>He also says in the same video (he is introducing Philippians 2:6-10 (my bold type):</p>
<p>“God doesn’t change his mind…This (Philippians 2:6-10) is God’s KNEE-JERK reaction to our trying to hijack his glory. This is God’s response to the traitor race…who took the freedom He gave us and abused it for our benefit and to his embarrassment. Here’s how He responded: “I’ll teach ‘em.”</p>
<p>Andy Stanley then quotes the Philippians passage and drives the knee-jerk further into the bone:</p>
<p>“That’ll teach ‘em. Yeah, God’s KNEE-JERK reaction in response to us trying to hijack his glory, his response to us trying to hijack his glory, our response to our abuse of freedom.”</p>
<p>(&#8220;That&#8217;ll teach &#8216;em&#8221; &#8211; c&#8217;mon now. Where does one infer such kind of &#8220;God-talk&#8221; from Philippians 2, or from any part of the Bible, for that matter).</p>
<p>The Philippians passage does say something about knees; all knees will one day bow at the name of Jesus. Who knows, perhaps many knees will also jerk to the ground. It is certain, however, that the God of the Bible does not not respond with knee-jerk reactions; for as Louie Giglio says, “God is all-knowing” and so does not change his mind. (See my critique of Louie Giglio’s “Great is our God”).</p>
<p>See <a href="http://onedaringjew.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/philippians-26-10-knee-jerk-theism/" rel="nofollow">http://onedaringjew.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/philippians-26-10-knee-jerk-theism/</a></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read Andy Stanley&#8217;s book on grace, which has received rave reviews. What concerns me is how God&#8217;s &#8220;grace&#8221; &#8211; for grace is central to the Philippians passage &#8211; resonates with God&#8217;s (?) knee-jerk reactions to sin. Surely God had it all planned and known from eternity &#8211; as the Bible says clearly? I detect a smidgen of open-theism. But even in open theism, there is no talk of divine knee-reject reactions, is there?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://stephenmurray.co.za/2009/03/andy-stanley-on-expository-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-1623</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of Stanley&#039;s books was a primary source for my postgraduate studies. His philosophy shows. I highlighted a tendency of his to delete God&#039;s role from his exegesis, which he would unlikely do with closer examination. Re the David and Goliath episode, he states: &quot;David’s leadership was established through his courage -- not his talent or even his calling by God&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of Stanley&#8217;s books was a primary source for my postgraduate studies. His philosophy shows. I highlighted a tendency of his to delete God&#8217;s role from his exegesis, which he would unlikely do with closer examination. Re the David and Goliath episode, he states: &#8220;David’s leadership was established through his courage &#8212; not his talent or even his calling by God&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Hillebrand</title>
		<link>http://stephenmurray.co.za/2009/03/andy-stanley-on-expository-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-1581</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Hillebrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 06:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t always preach verse by verse, but I have learnt that God knows the needs of the congregation way better than I do and that Scripture somehow speaks to all far more effectively than my attempts at being topical. So if I have a thought on a passage and consider leaving it out because &#039;it won&#039;t apply to anyone there&#039;, I leave it in because I have seen how God knows better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t always preach verse by verse, but I have learnt that God knows the needs of the congregation way better than I do and that Scripture somehow speaks to all far more effectively than my attempts at being topical. So if I have a thought on a passage and consider leaving it out because &#8216;it won&#8217;t apply to anyone there&#8217;, I leave it in because I have seen how God knows better!</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he has some good things to say, but letting felt needs drive the agenda rather than bringing the ever relevant word page by page to God&#039;s people seems loopy to me. Sure, sometimes an expository-topical preach is helpful, but the norm has to be just letting God speak through the books he gave us.

Peter Adam is helpful, 
http://beginningwithmoses.org/bigger/expositorypreaching.htm

As is Matt Chandler at the recent DG conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he has some good things to say, but letting felt needs drive the agenda rather than bringing the ever relevant word page by page to God&#8217;s people seems loopy to me. Sure, sometimes an expository-topical preach is helpful, but the norm has to be just letting God speak through the books he gave us.</p>
<p>Peter Adam is helpful,<br />
<a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/bigger/expositorypreaching.htm" rel="nofollow">http://beginningwithmoses.org/bigger/expositorypreaching.htm</a></p>
<p>As is Matt Chandler at the recent DG conference.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://stephenmurray.co.za/2009/03/andy-stanley-on-expository-preaching/comment-page-1/#comment-1579</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Stephen. I would add that the Holy Spirit preaches in an expository manner through Scripture itself. And I&#039;d also add that far from being easy, expository preaching can be very difficult, because one cannot leave the difficult bits out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Stephen. I would add that the Holy Spirit preaches in an expository manner through Scripture itself. And I&#8217;d also add that far from being easy, expository preaching can be very difficult, because one cannot leave the difficult bits out.</p>
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